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46275. [e-mail]    POLL: Another Floppy Drive Poll, Mk. II :)
46276. Tudor Davies              Re: POLL: Floppy Disks
46277. Robert Johnston           Re: POLL: Floppy Disks
46278. Nick Lamburn              Re: POLL: Floppy Disks
46279. Nick Lamburn              Re: Voting Results: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-)
46280. Tudor Davies              Re: POLL: Floppy Disks
46281. Ben Vost                  Re: POLL: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-)
46282. Simon John Hall           How do you get NFS to work
46283. Phil Allen                Re: 3.5 memory probs
46284. Phil Allen                Re: OS 3.5 and memory problems[WARNING]
46285. Sean Martin               Re: Zip 250
46286. Simon Jenkins             Re: Translucent CDs
46287. Tudor Davies              Re: Zip 250
46288. Kevin Fairhurst           Re: Translucent CDs
46289. Neil Bothwick             Re: HD Backup
46290. Phil Allen                Is the Amiga a Games Machine
46291. Matthew O'Neill           Re: A crappy announcement to have to make
46292. Matthew O'Neill           DJ
46293. Matthew O'Neill           fandabby dosey
46294. Matthew O'Neill           Re: Is AF on the way out?
46295. Matthew O'Neill           Green
46296. Matthew O'Neill           This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9...8.
46297. Ben Vost                  Re: This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9.
46298. Chris Green               Re: Green
46299. Matthew O'Neill           Phase5
46300. Tudor Davies              Re: Phase5
46301. Kevin Fairhurst           Re: Phase5
46302. Arran Smalley             Re: Is the Amiga a Games Machine
46303. David McMinn              Re: Phase5
46304. Robert Johnston           Re: Green
46305. Robert Johnston           Re: Phase5
46306. David McMinn              Re: Phase5
46307. Jonathan Higgins          Re: Phase5
46308. Tudor Davies              Re: Phase5
46309. Richard Drummond          Help!
46310. Tudor Davies              Death of Phase5 - can DCE continue?
46311. Matthew O'Neill           Re: Help Me- IRC - What the hell is it???
46312. Matthew O'Neill           Re: POLL: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-)
46313. Matthew O'Neill           Re: The Amiga, where to now?
46314. Matthew O'Neill           Re: This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9.
46315. Matthew O'Neill           Re: YAM PPC patch is a fake!
46316. Matthew O'Neill           Re: Voting Results: Another Floppy Drive Poll :-)
46317. Matthew O'Neill           MUI
46318. Ben Vost                  Re: This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9.
46319. Oliver Esberger           Re: Phase5
46320. Oliver Esberger           Re: Death of Phase5 - can DCE continue?
46321. Tim Seifert               Re: THOR in my side....
46322. Tim Seifert               Re: TCP by Serial
46323. Tim Seifert               Re: The falling circulation numbers.
46324. Tim Seifert               Re: POLL: Microsoft Office
46325. Tim Seifert               Re: PIRACY-SUCKS BIG TIME
46326. Tim Seifert               Re: PIRACY-SUCKS
46327. Tim Seifert               Re: setting 'Subject' for E-Mail.
46328. Tim Seifert               Re: Star Office Amiga
46329. Tim Seifert               Re: PIRACY-SUCKS
46330. Tim Seifert               Re: DF1: as DF0:
46331. Tim Seifert               Re: mhz (WAS: OT: Problem with MacOS8 running on
46332. Tim Seifert               Re: alt.binaries?
46333. Tim Seifert               Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Wa
46334. Tim Seifert               Re: PIRACY-SUCKS
46335. Tim Seifert               Re: OK, FINE!
46336. Tim Seifert               Re: Modems & Line resets
46337. Tim Seifert               Re: LS-120 Bargain
46338. Tim Seifert               Re: java 'n' hex
46339. Tim Seifert               Re: HTML directories
46340. Tim Seifert               Re: Zippity do da, Zippity Day
46341. Sean Courtney             Re: THOR in my side....
46342. Anthony Prime             Re: POLL: Microsoft Office
46343. Anthony Prime             Re: AFCD50
46344. Ben Vost                  Re: AFCD50
46345. Neil Bothwick             Re: Death of Phase5 - can DCE continue?
46346. Sandy Brownlee            Keyboard Interface
46347. Kevin Fairhurst           Re: The falling circulation numbers.
46348. Chris Andrews             Re: setting 'Subject' for E-Mail.
46349. Mark Wilson               Re: PIRACY-SUCKS
46350. Chris Andrews             Re: Star Office Amiga
46351. Neil Bothwick             Re: alt.binaries?
46352. Neil Bothwick             Re: THOR in my side....
46353. Paul Cundle               Re: POLL: Are you taking part in the spending fre
46354. Paul Cundle               Re: New ish
46355. Roger Sivertsen           This is why the Amiga died
46356. Sandy Brownlee            Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Wa
46357. Sandy Brownlee            Re: AFCD50
46358. Rick Hodger               Re: G3/G4 cards
46359. Rick Hodger               Re: V
46360. Rick Hodger               Re: 3.5 memory probs
46361. Frost                     Re: Sim City 2000
46362. Matthew Garrett           Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Wa
46363. Sandy Brownlee            Re: TCP via Serial
46364. Kevin Fairhurst           Re: alt.binaries?
46365. Kevin Fairhurst           Re: G3/G4 cards
46366. Jonathan M. Dudley        MUI - was: A crappy announcement...
46367. Jonathan M. Dudley        MUI - was: A crappy announcement...
46368. Jonathan M. Dudley        Re: AFCD50
46369. Jonathan M. Dudley        MUI - was: A crappy announcement to have to make
46370. Daniel Thornton           Re: PIRACY-SUCKS
46371. Chris Andrews             Re: MUI - was: A crappy announcement...
46372. Chris Andrews             Re: MUI - was: A crappy announcement...
46373. Neil Bothwick             Re: V
46374. Neil Bothwick             Re: New ish
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:11:34 -0800
From: [e-mail]
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Subject: [afb] POLL: Another Floppy Drive Poll, Mk. II :)
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09-02-2000:

Sorry guys and gals; i forgot the date on the first one! :)

Basically how much do you use floppy disks? :) (Computer ones that is ;)

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Please select one of the following:

   o All the time
   o Sometimes
   o Once in a while
   o Occasionally
   o Rarely
   o Never now.


by going to the following Web form:

   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=950101894319&listname=afb

Thank you!



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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:15:08 +0100
From: Tudor Davies <[e-mail]>
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 01:04:03PM -0000, Robert Johnston wrote:
> > >      o 12" Drive :))
> > Are you sure - or do you mean 8"?
> > Never heard of a 12" floppy - maybe 12" cylinder storage (hard disk
> > forerunner) but not a floppy.
> It's Big (12" per side), it's square, it's (VERY) Floppy, It goes into my
> BBC Master series... It's a 12" Floppy Disk, right?

Nope - I disagree.
IBM brought out the first floppy drive in 1971 to load code onto their
/370(?) mainframes. 8" was it's size and that is the largest *ever* used.
If you are getting your 8" and 12" mixed up, you are either:
1/ deliberatly misleading your partner
2/ crap at parking

l8r

--

Tudor Davies                         Running Amiga, Mac, PC & Unices
                                     Technology in Perfect Harmony
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From: Robert Johnston <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:17:38 -0000
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> > > >      o 12" Drive :))
> > > Are you sure - or do you mean 8"?
> > > Never heard of a 12" floppy - maybe 12" cylinder storage
> (hard disk
> > > forerunner) but not a floppy.
> > It's Big (12" per side), it's square, it's (VERY) Floppy,
> It goes into my
> > BBC Master series... It's a 12" Floppy Disk, right?
>
> Nope - I disagree.
> IBM brought out the first floppy drive in 1971 to load code onto their
> /370(?) mainframes. 8" was it's size and that is the largest
> *ever* used.
> If you are getting your 8" and 12" mixed up, you are either:
> 1/ deliberatly misleading your partner
> 2/ crap at parking

IIRC (I may be wrong), it was shown in the film "Wargames" (Late 70's,
Sci-fi/Hacking)... I could be wrong, tho.

--


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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:21:26 -0800
From: "Nick Lamburn" <[e-mail]>
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Hi,

> Nope - I disagree.
> IBM brought out the first floppy drive in 1971 to load code onto their
> /370(?)

It was the 370. :)

> mainframes. 8" was it's size and that is the largest *ever* used.
> If you are getting your 8" and 12" mixed up, you are either:
> 1/ deliberatly misleading your partner
> 2/ crap at parking

Hee Hee! :)

All the best,

Nick.



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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 05:24:33 -0800
From: "Nick Lamburn" <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To:  <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBE1@THE_EXCHANGE>
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Hi,

> > Here are the results of the vote:
> >
> > 1. Still use them a lot on my Amiga            1
>
> Roflol!!

Yip that be my vote in my terminated poll! :))  However I only really
use on Mac and PC emulation to transfer work backwards and forwards if
the machine i was working on didn't have an Internet connection.  (When
I would send the files via e-mail and then stick em on disk).  However
I hardly Amiga floppy disks now; only really when I transfer between my
A600 and A1200T. :)

All the best,

Nick.



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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:56 +0100
From: Tudor Davies <[e-mail]>
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 01:17:38PM -0000, Robert Johnston wrote:

> IIRC (I may be wrong), it was shown in the film "Wargames" (Late 70's,
> Sci-fi/Hacking)... I could be wrong, tho.

Anyway, the computer used in Wargames was an AT&T system and the film
wasn't made until 1983.. so definately 8".

l8r

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                                     Technology in Perfect Harmony
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From: "Ben Vost" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:58:27 +0000
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Hi [e-mail],

> Okay next one; what do you think about Floppy Disks?! :) (sad git you
> mutter!) ----

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> AFB: All polls MUST have dates, and if you have something to

Cancelled.

All the best,
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Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: ([phone]
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: ([phone]
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: Simon John Hall <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:16:30 -0000
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I'm having some troubles running a NFS client on my A1200, and have
played around with the ch_#? files but still can't get it to work, I can
get the server running fine, but not the client. Any thoughts from
anyone?
    Simon Hall


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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 06:27:32 -0800
From: "Phil Allen" <[e-mail]>
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"james" <[e-mail]> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=46174
> I got OS3.5 last week. It installed no problem and worked great,
mostly.
> Except, I keep getting out of memory errors. I've got 16Mb fast, in my
> A1200.
> My screenmode is 640x512 DBLPAL in 16 colours, and I usually have
about
> 1.6Mb
> chip free on boot. The problems usually occur with the prefs progs,
in
> particular, palette and pointer prefs, which refuse to load, giving no
> error
> message, if I've been using the machine for a while. Has anyone else
> experienced this?
>

Not exactly that but something similar. What accelerator do you have? I
think the early revision Vipers and possibly Blizzards have problems
with 3.5. With 3.1 ROMs and 16Mb on my MkI Viper my system wouldn't
boot. just an idea.

Regards, Phil



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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 06:36:03 -0800
From: "Phil Allen" <[e-mail]>
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roger buckley <[e-mail]> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=46032
> Hello Roger
>
> you wrote:


> Which model Viper have you got ? Recently transferred my mark V Viper
to a 3.1
> machine and it works just fine.
>

I've got a MkI or II Viper, they were made around '94, before the 3.1
ROMs were out. I think they also clash with the PCMCIA slot. I'll just
have to wait for my G4 card, whenever that arrives.

Regards, Phil



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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 06:36:28 -0800
From: "Sean Martin" <[e-mail]>
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"ben vost" <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Hi Sean,
> > My zip drive has died from the dreaded "click of death" and
> > zip 250 scsi
> > i understand the zip250 plays old zip100 is this implemented
> > Still hangin in there ;)
> > Any answers to [e-mail]

> Sigh. The people who don't read my reviews...
> Editor, Amiga Format                      F: ([phone]

Ahem! which reveiew might that be ben ? i look forward to receiving
your (almost) devine wisdom.
Anyone got a mountfile for a zip250 they could send ?



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From: Simon Jenkins <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:53:21 +0100
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/*Thank You Kevin Fairhurst For Your Email Dated 08-Feb-00*/
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> I don't any more.  I'd been running lots of stuff, so rebooted and trie=
d
> again and presto, it worked!
> =

> Yes, I DID have CD0 mounted, before you comment  :-=DE

Really!?! ;-))

Seriously, I wouldn't have suggested that :-)
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:54:28 +0100
From: Tudor Davies <[e-mail]>
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 06:36:28AM -0800, Sean Martin wrote:

> > Sigh. The people who don't read my reviews...
> > Editor, Amiga Format                      F: ([phone]
> Ahem! which reveiew might that be ben ? i look forward to receiving
> your (almost) devine wisdom.

That'll be the review in issue 124 page 55 then Sean :)

btw where in Weston are you, 'cos I live there as well.

l8r
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From: "Kevin Fairhurst" <[e-mail]>
Date: 9 Feb 2000 14:56:10 +0000
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:53:21 +0100, Simon Jenkins (simon@jinky=2Econnectfre=
e=2Eco=2Euk) wrote:
> /*Thank You Kevin Fairhurst For Your Email Dated 08-Feb-00*/
>=20=20
> > I don't any more=2E  I'd been running lots of stuff, so rebooted and tr=
ied
> > again and presto, it worked!
> >=20
> > Yes, I DID have CD0 mounted, before you comment  :-=DE
>=20
> Really!?! ;-))

Yes, really=2E  I have no idea why it didn't work, but all is well and good
now=2E  BTW, what do people think of my screengrab?  It took me many attemp=
ts
to get the Frogger window just right showing Bill getting pied  ;-)

> Seriously, I wouldn't have suggested that :-)

Honestly?   ;)

kev

--=20
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM



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Date: 9 Feb 2000 13:31:41 +0000
From: "Neil Bothwick" <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBD3@THE_EXCHANGE>
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Robert Johnston said,

>> Hello To All You Amiga Users Out There.

> AaAaAaAaaaAAAaAAaarrRrrRrrRggggGGgGGGggGGhhHHhHhhHHhhhhHH!!!!!!!!

> Excessive Capitlisation Error: [A]bort [R]etry [E]xplode

What? No plug for the Capital Letter Filter, only 25 inc VAT from
Simply Computers?

:-)


Neil
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The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:05:41 -0800
From: "Phil Allen" <[e-mail]>
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Latest issue, Ian Aisbitt writes that coverage for upcoming games is a
waste of space and that the "Amiga, as a computer, has outgrown games
anyway". A somewhat short-sighted and narrow-minded view, IMHO. If the
Amiga has truly outgrown games then we're too late, as a platform it is
relegated to the backroom to be used for specialist tasks, never again
to grace the family's table.
  Games drive the hardware market, they push the boundaries of
performance and the power of the gaming community's voice forces
developers to design newer, faaster and more capable systems. Word
processors and spreadsheets don't need phenomenal amounts of MHz and
MBytes, games do. The unwashed masses demand entertainment, not office
software. In today's world entertainment comes in the form of the
Internet and games.
  In the early 90s the PC market exploded on the back of games like
Doom and Descent. Games that exhibited characteristics never before
seen, games that mimiced life a little bit more and allowed the gamer
to interact with a totally new, albeit limited, universe. Even then the
only aim was kill as many other inhabitants of that universe as
possible.
   The next step in gaming will be the "total immersion experience",
allowing players to interact with each other and a digital universe and
to affect situations and outcomes in that universe. Hopefully, games
like E2260 will offer that experience.
   Whatever happens, the Amiga needs games to survive. Good games will
entice back those lost souls who left for higher frame rates, we need
them back to expand the market and get more programmers producing the
quality games that made the Amiga what it was. The time is ripe for our
return, soul-less offerings like Tomb Raider IV will give us the
oppotunity to rule once more. All we need is for the programmers that
I'm sure are out there to take inspiration from the modern game, add a
new twist and a bit more depth.

Regards in anticipation of outraged replies, Phil

BTW, sad to see Tony Horgan go, but yeah, you were getting a bit too
depressing for me, mate. Never mind, I will remember you and CU Amiga
with great fondness. RIP



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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:28:30 +0100
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On 08-Feb-00, Ben Vost wrote:

>> Month in view: you say about not having enough to write about, but then
>> you give V a 1 page review!!?

> Yessss, that's the point surely?

V, thousands will use, but has a 1 page review
PS4, hundereds will use, has a 4 page review

Mash -
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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:34:04 +0100
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On 08-Feb-00, Ben Vost wrote:

>> oh and I must say that DJNick's avi is absolutely gobsmacking and
>> should've won the gallery IMHO

> It was amazing and was also mainly generated on a PC.

Really? The song was made in Octamed sound studio. Most of the images were
made in ArtEffect and Candy factory pro. Pretty good considering his
country was recently f**ked up good and proper by Slobby Milosavich.

Mash -
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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:49:38 +0100
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On 08-Feb-00, Mikey C wrote:

> Finally, who or what are the "Crankies?"

They were fandabby-dosey! tee hee he he, dornt yer be smacking me in der
face widdat creeem pie!

IIRC they were in french an saunder's mick take on silence of the lambs

Mash - slurp
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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:52:30 +0100
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Hi Simon

> I got my subscription AF today and it had no spine or CD case! Are AF
> cutting down costs because they may be going down or is there some other
> reason? And when are the the Blizzard G4s coming out?
>     Simon Hall

You've just joined the list have't you? if not then give yourself 3 lashes
right now

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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:35:24 +0100
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Hi

Hey Chris, so hat happened to the international playboy bit then?

Mash
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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:23:46 +0100
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Subject: [afb] This Hard Drive will self destruct in 10...9...8...7...
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Help!

I've just partitioned a new (well, old) drive with FFS, and when I saved the
changes, it popped up an amber message:

***OS developer group warning, you are using a (something something
version)***

fs 43.19 (7-11-97)

For legal and safety reasons, remove it from your system now!!


What the hell is this?

Mash
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From: "Ben Vost" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:12:20 +0000
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Hi Matthew,

> I've just partitioned a new (well, old) drive with FFS, and when I saved
> the changes, it popped up an amber message:

> ***OS developer group warning, you are using a (something something
> version)***

> fs 43.19 (7-11-97)

> For legal and safety reasons, remove it from your system now!!


> What the hell is this?

It's because you downloaded a beta version of FFS from Amiga Inc's website
and put it in the RDB of your drives.

All the best,
--
Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: ([phone]
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: ([phone]
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        "I won't be on time", Tom said belatedly.




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From: "Chris Green" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:15:41 -0000
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Hi

> Hey Chris, so hat happened to the international playboy bit then?

Thankfully it got weeded out at the last minute by our Ed :) The trouble is
the production guys are still planning to slip it back in again in another
issue :(

Cheers
Chris 'Playboy' Green
Technical Editor - Computing
VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG
..................................................................
Fax: [phone]      Email: [e-mail]
ICQ: 10921400                 URL:   http://computing.vnunet.com
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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:16:59 +0100
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Shit

Mash
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:27:48 +0100
From: Tudor Davies <[e-mail]>
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Mash wrote:

> Shit

Why?

l8r
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                                     Technology in Perfect Harmony
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From: "Kevin Fairhurst" <[e-mail]>
Date: 9 Feb 2000 15:28:36 +0000
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:16:59 +0100, Matthew O'Neill ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Shit

I'm sorry?  Is this some sort of announcement as to what you think of them?

Kev

--
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 56332267, redver5 on AIM



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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:35:29 +0000
From: Arran Smalley <[e-mail]>
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Phil Allen wrote:

> Latest issue, Ian Aisbitt writes that coverage for upcoming games is a
> waste of space and that the "Amiga, as a computer, has outgrown games
> anyway". A somewhat short-sighted and narrow-minded view, IMHO. If the
> Amiga has truly outgrown games then we're too late, as a platform it is
> relegated to the backroom to be used for specialist tasks, never again
> to grace the family's table.
>   Games drive the hardware market, they push the boundaries of
> performance and the power of the gaming community's voice forces
> developers to design newer, faaster and more capable systems. Word
> processors and spreadsheets don't need phenomenal amounts of MHz and
> MBytes, games do. The unwashed masses demand entertainment, not office
> software. In today's world entertainment comes in the form of the
> Internet and games.
>   In the early 90s the PC market exploded on the back of games like
> Doom and Descent. Games that exhibited characteristics never before
> seen, games that mimiced life a little bit more and allowed the gamer
> to interact with a totally new, albeit limited, universe. Even then the
> only aim was kill as many other inhabitants of that universe as
> possible.
>    The next step in gaming will be the "total immersion experience",
> allowing players to interact with each other and a digital universe and
> to affect situations and outcomes in that universe. Hopefully, games
> like E2260 will offer that experience.
>    Whatever happens, the Amiga needs games to survive. Good games will
> entice back those lost souls who left for higher frame rates, we need
> them back to expand the market and get more programmers producing the
> quality games that made the Amiga what it was. The time is ripe for our
> return, soul-less offerings like Tomb Raider IV will give us the
> oppotunity to rule once more. All we need is for the programmers that
> I'm sure are out there to take inspiration from the modern game, add a
> new twist and a bit more depth.
>
> Regards in anticipation of outraged replies, Phil
>
> BTW, sad to see Tony Horgan go, but yeah, you were getting a bit too
> depressing for me, mate. Never mind, I will remember you and CU Amiga
> with great fondness. RIP
>

Hello Phil
I'm in agreement with what you are saying. Seems that the hardware that
current Amigas are using isn't capable of running modern games. If running
games is your main priority, by the time you have forked out for PPC, a
tower, GFX card etc., you may as well have bought a PC, which would offer
more power, and many more games.
Even with such additions Amiga's are still stuck with old Motherboards
running at snail like speeds, (7Mhz, 14Mhz, I can't remember which).
Especially when compared to more modern computers, the latest Macs are
running at 100Mhz.
Even the PPC's and graphics cards being used are underpowered.
Computing power may not make good games but to run the kind of immersive
graphics we are talking about, systems based on erly 90's technology just
don't cut the mustard.

Arran

Incidentally, I reckon that no one will produce anything that compares to
Frontier, all that game on one 880K disc!



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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:37:58 -0800
From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>
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> Shit

Apparently their mail serves have been bouncing for 3 weeks and they
ain't been replying to White Knight (neither would I though ;). So
someone came up with the great idea that they've went bust, but they're
actually just on holiday or something until they get the bits they need
for the G4 cards.





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From: Robert Johnston <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:18:12 -0000
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> Thankfully it got weeded out at the last minute by our Ed :)
> The trouble is
> the production guys are still planning to slip it back in
> again in another
> issue :(
>
> Cheers
> Chris *'Playboy'* Green
> Technical Editor - Computing
> VNU Business Publications, 32-34 Broadwick Street, London, W1A 2HG
> ..................................................................
> Fax: [phone]      Email: [e-mail]
> ICQ: 10921400                 URL:   http://computing.vnunet.com
> ..................................................................

Meanwhile you perpetuate the rumour...

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From: Robert Johnston <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:27:14 -0000
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> Subject: [afb] Phase5
>
>
> Shit

Perdone Moi?

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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:44:09 -0800
From: "David McMinn" <[e-mail]>
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> > Shit
>
> Apparently their mail serves have been bouncing for 3 weeks and they
> ain't been replying to White Knight (neither would I though ;). So
> someone came up with the great idea that they've went bust, but
they're
> actually just on holiday or something until they get the bits they
need
> for the G4 cards.

Oh, and moving their HQ.





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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:02:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: Jonathan Higgins <[e-mail]>
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Hi,

> Mash wrote:
>
> > Shit
>
> Why?

Have a look at:

http://www.ann.lu/

Ciao

--
Jonathan Higgins - ISIS Research Group
University of Southampton
ICQ UIN - 7610841



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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:08:59 +0100
From: Tudor Davies <[e-mail]>
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 04:02:26PM +0000, Jonathan Higgins wrote:

> > > Shit
> > Why?
> Have a look at:
> http://www.ann.lu/

Yeah I know all that. I was just wondering why it was worrying?
Some major companies lose their web servers occasionnaly(sic!) but no-one
goes - ahh, they must have closed up!

give them time - if something has happened, wait for someone in Germany to
find out from the authorities - when a company closes, there's a hell of a
lot of paperwork to do :)

until then, they have relocated - the telco didn't get their line in on time
(not unlikely!) or they are having a holiday waiting for G4 chips.

Mind you - has anyone contacted any of their Mac dealers or looked at any
Mac news to see if they are worried?

l8r
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From: "Richard Drummond" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:26:11 +0000 (GMT)
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Is anybody using a CyberVisionPPC with CGX3? If so, could they email me a
copy of the driver?

Cheers,
Rich
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Staff Writer, Amiga Format

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:37:57 +0100
From: Tudor Davies <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 05:08:59PM +0100, Tudor Davies wrote:

Just read the news from ann timed at 14:26 - hadn't seen this yet.

Bummer!

Question is - did DCE get the right to manufacture cards outright or was it
a license

ie - without Phase5 can they still make them?

l8r
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                                     Technology in Perfect Harmony
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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:43:01 +0100
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On 08-Feb-00, Sam Thomas wrote:

> I have now been on line about a month now, but have yet to look at IRC,
> what is it roughly

<PIRATE> arrr, it be a land of murky waters and evil filth!</PIRATE>

> and what channels(?) do you recommend.

Analogy time again :) Servers are like different countries, lets say
undernet is the UK, Dalnet is the USA and galaxynet is Japan. There's many
servers all connecting to the same system, eg primary.us.galaxynet.org and
bristol.uk.galaxynet.org will both connect you to the galaxynet system. In
each of these different systems, you can connect to almost any channel
(like a room) where everything you type will be instantly (hopefuly) be
relayed to anyone else on that server and in that room. You can connect
dirrectly to anyone else in that system and have a 1 to 1 if ya like so
no-one else can join in

> Is the AmIRC
> from NC3 any good or is there a better alternative? (there does seem to be
> a few set up already with the program)

Thats the best program you'll get, on pc mac or amiga

#amigacafe on any undernet server is fairly quiet, but you'll always find
nice people on there, no arseole mucking about

Mash -
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Optimist: MS-DOS salesman with a pager.







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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:51:15 +0100
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On 09-Feb-00, [e-mail] wrote:

>   o Still use them a lot on my Amiga
>   o Occassionally I use them
>   o Rarely I use them
>   o I haven't used one for months

1) no date
2) we had this poll a couple of weeks ago

Mash -
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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:00:29 +0100
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On 09-Feb-00, Scott Kernaghan wrote:

> Create ART,

Check!

> Go into a shop and say I WANT A 32Gig HD for My Amiga, IT uses IDE so
> you're commonplace PC parts will go into My Machine.

Check!

> Talk about your Amiga!

Check! (although usually in defense)

> Sell one to a freind and show them how to use it.

Check

> Give/Donate/ lease one to a local school, show them the cool things
> that can easily with it and put it straight onto video! Show them
> ScalaMM400 Etc.

Check, along with a genlock :)

Mash -
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If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.







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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:01:41 +0100
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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On 09-Feb-00, Ben Vost wrote:

>> I've just partitioned a new (well, old) drive with FFS, and when I saved
>> the changes, it popped up an amber message:

>> ***OS developer group warning, you are using a (something something
>> version)***

something something = beta

> It's because you downloaded a beta version of FFS from Amiga Inc's website
> and put it in the RDB of your drives.

hmmmm, is there a newer one which wont threaten to eliminate my drive?

Mash -
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Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Hmmm.. what's this red button foNO CARRIER







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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:06:38 +0100
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On 08-Feb-00, Rick Hodger wrote:

> massive amount of speed...why try to make it work on a PPC other than for
> a future G4-native version?

Just answered your own question

Mash -
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Nothing succeeds like failure.







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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:05:19 +0100
In-Reply-To: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBE1@THE_EXCHANGE>
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Hi Robert

>> Here are the results of the vote:

>> 1. Still use them a lot on my Amiga            1

> Roflol!!

100% of those that voted agree, is this a record?

Mash -
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

"Live long and suffer"  -Ancient Vulcan curse







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From: Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:03:53 +0100
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Hi Neil

> Why would Stefan even consider working on it when there are people that
> have been using 3.x for years without paying?

Why would I consider paying when there wont be a new version? works both
ways.

Mash -
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Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

"Steel tide on an asphalt beach"







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From: "Ben Vost" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:15:53 +0000
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Hi Matthew,

>> It's because you downloaded a beta version of FFS from Amiga Inc's
>> website and put it in the RDB of your drives.

> hmmmm, is there a newer one which wont threaten to eliminate my drive?

Yes, the one with OS3.5.

All the best,
--
Ben Vost (x2337)      /PGP key available/   T: ([phone]
Editor, Amiga Format                      F: ([phone]
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: Oliver Esberger <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:23:51 +0100
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Hello ,

On 09-Feb-00, you wrote:


> Yeah I know all that. I was just wondering why it was worrying? Some
> major companies lose their web servers occasionnaly(sic!) but no-one
> goes - ahh, they must have closed up!

They have sent faxes to dealers that they have gone bankrupt. On
Amiga-News.de you can even read who is handling the insolvency. This is
pretty official.

Regards
--
Oliver Esberger - mailto:[e-mail]



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From: Oliver Esberger <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:33:43 +0100
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Hello ,

On 09-Feb-00, you wrote:

> Question is - did DCE get the right to manufacture cards outright or
> was it a license
>
> ie - without Phase5 can they still make them?

German law allows it that the administrator who is handling the affairs
lets the company continue its businness, so as long as DCE has to pay
royalties for its licenses they may continue. Even if they don't have to
pay I can't see why they shouldn't be allowed to continue. A basic rule
is the parts of the company making money continue (to regain as much
money as possible).

Remember Amiga Technologies? They were still selling Amigas and Monitors
after they went bankrupt, I think under the administration of a certain
Mr Hembach, who had already handled the Commodore Germany bankruptcy.

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 11:0:32 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Darren Smith <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  30-Jan-00 00:17:09
 Re:  [afb] Re: THOR in my side....

Hi Darren,

>> ANYway...I've noticed recently that all of a sudden I can't post to
>> newsgroups with Thor. I have a legally-registered version, and all
>> the public posts I send via Thor end up going nowhere, although
>> ConnectThor tells me everything went through.

> How about setting your clock back to 1999 ?

Setting your clock backwards when posting to newsgroups, of all places,
is likely to get your postings deleted instantly for being too old.

Newservers expire messages on any one of various criteria; available
drive space, deleting oldest stored messages, deleting oldest dated
messages.

So what do you think might happen for something with a date a year older
than the rest of the messages?

And then you'll be copping a lot of flack for posting with a wrong date
anyway.  ;-\

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------------------------------ message 46322 ------------------------------
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Date: 9 Feb 2000 10:34:47 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Robert Johnston <[e-mail]>
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 On:  02-Feb-00 21:11:16
 Re:  [afb] Re: TCP by Serial

Hi Robert,

>> Is it at all possable to create a tcp links between Amiga and pc
>> using a null modem cable. I have currently been trying to use miami`s
>> null modem option and windose dialup modem option with no sucess.

> Yes, but you need the "Null Modem Cable" modem installed on the PC. I
> can't remember exactly where you get it, tho.

Null MODEM cable MODEM???  You mean a Null MODEM device installed, most
likely.  This site was given to me for information about doing what
you're trying to:

home.intekom.com/jacog/howtonet/dullmodem.html

I've been playing with this, and got the PC and Amiga to connect to each
other without problems (once I built my own PROPERLY wired Null MODEM
cable).

At that site are instructions, plus a Windows driver file for a Null
MODEM.  Basically you configure a PC DUN (dial up networking) entry to
connect to the Amiga via the Null MODEM device, and you do the same idea
on the Amiga.

What I can't manage, is to get the PC to hold two DUNs at once (the
second one will never connect, and sometimes cause the first to hang up
too).  So I can't dial the net on the PC, link up the Amiga to the PC,
and use both computers off the one MODEM.  It wants a network (LAN)
adaptor installed to do that.

> This eMail (and any attachments) should only be read by ....

..... people mad enough to be on such a high volume mailing list....

I couldn't resist warping your disclaimer.  ;-)

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 10:56:13 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Ben Vost <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  02-Feb-00 20:20:51
 Re:  [afb] Re: The falling circulation numbers.

Hi Ben,

>>>> tell them to subscribe....show them a recent publication if they
>>>> want to

>> Erm, as I stated before, not all of them can afford the one-off
>> payment for a magazine.

> As I've just said to Nick, and fully expect to be flamed for, if they
> can't afford even the 25 for a six-month subscription, are they
> spending *any* money on their Amigas, and if not, how are they
> "helping the Amiga market"?

And why should we?  Why does everyone have this rampant capitialist
attitude that we should be forever giving other people our money, just
for the sake of it?

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Date: 10 Feb 2000 3:53:41 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Rick Hodger <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  06-Feb-00 00:32:20
 Re:  [afb] Re: POLL: Microsoft Office

Hi Rick,

>> I personally think the Windows registry is a bloody good idea.

> No it's not, I've lost count of the number of times when booting,
> Windows pops up that wee "Windows found an error in your registry, a
> backup has been restored" and usually means having to reinstall half
> the software on the machine...not to mention the amount of crap that
> it get's filled with from programs that have been uninstalled.

And let's not forget the other Windows problem, created by centralised
storage of settings, that each device can only have one set up.  As soon
as something decides to change the configuration, everything else gets
stuffed around.

A simple example is something that mutes a source on your sound card.
Then the next program that needs that source, doesn't un-mute it, but
uses the sound card as the last thing left it.

As well as not supporting multiple devices:  You have 3 video capture
devices (and you need them all, because there isn't one all purpose
device that can do the job of three).  But Windows can only cope with
using one of them at a time (and I mean, you have to reboot to change,
not just quit the application).

No, I don't agree with a central registry for everything.  It's too much
of putting all your eggs in one basket.

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 9:31:5 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Nick Lamburn <[e-mail]>
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Hi Nick,

> Tried already to persuade them to get a Amiga Forever, but 40 they
> just thought it wasn't worth it!?  So in their opinion killing the
> Amiga is worth it!

But how's that going to help?  Buying that isn't keeping the Amiga
alive, as it's an ancient discontinued product.  Hoping they'll buy a
real Amiga isn't feasible, as there isn't one.  If we get a new one,
it'll be different from the existing ones anyway.

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------------------------------ message 46326 ------------------------------
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Date: 9 Feb 2000 9:39:13 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Vincenzo Morra <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  02-Feb-00 21:24:13
 Re:  [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS

Hi Vincenzo,

>> To be honest I wish people would stop blaming pirates for everything.
>> Face it until some new machine is released, no-one is gonna buy much.

> Lets give them a medal, Seriously, they are a cancer and I don't care
> if you think the Amiga software sucks. Pirates are NOW responsible for
> the (almost) death of Amiga.

Crap!  It's the companies that made the Amiga that are responsible for
its death.  They stuffed it all the way.  Amiga (whichever company)
never even backed the production of any software that I know about.
The computer was nearly always overpriced, and undersupported, and
towards the end was woefully inadequate compared with the competition.

And that's the crux of the matter.  The Amiga died, because it was
overtaken by other technology (IBM clones).

If thousands of PC pirates suddenly released all sorts of software, that
wouldn't kill the PC.  The computer would still be sold.  It'd damage
the software developing industry, sure, but not the actual /computer/.

And anyway, where do people get this insane idea that unless you're not
constantly spending money on your computer, that you're selfish?  Geez,
I bought mine to do a job, and once I've got it to the stage it works
well, that's it.  No more money spent on it.  That's what I expect from
appliances.

I'm not going to lose sleep over whether Amiga doesn't make any more
profit from me.  To hell with any company who wants me to forever hand
over my cash.  It's rampant capitalism gone mad.  It's about time they
realised that the virtual extortion in the computer industry is the
problem itself.

Bye,
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Date: 9 Feb 2000 10:18:39 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Chris Andrews <[e-mail]>
 To:  Chris Andrews <[e-mail]>
 On:  03-Feb-00 02:45:38
 Re:  [afb] Re: setting 'Subject' for E-Mail.

Hi Chris,

>> The spaces will sometimes cause problems.  Using %20 as a code for
>> the space (I think that's the right number), sometimes works, and
>> sometimes doesn't (various clients will correctly translate it into a
>> space, others will leave it as %20).

>   ...or a "+", which is easier to remember.

Which, surprise surprise, doesn't work with Microsoft IE and OE.  The
subject line gets the + symbol written into it.

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 10:23:12 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Alan L.M. Buxey <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  31-Jan-00 01:26:58
 Re:  [afb] Re: Star Office Amiga

Hi Alan,

>> I noticed that Alan L M Buxey mentioned SUN's free office suite for
>> the Amiga.  AFAIK there wasn't an Amiga port as yet?  Is there one?
>> Where can I download it from, I've tried SUN's site, where is it?!
>> :-)

> I mentioned Amiga and StarOffice in the same sentence, yes - but with
> an idea of it BEING ported. It isnt currently.

Having got it on the PC, I consider it diabolical.  Though I've never
liked office suites.  I don't like convoluted interconnected software,
that likes to pretend its an OS in itself, but doesn't behave like your
OS or any of your other applications.

I prefer having seperate word processors, paint programs, spreadsheets,
etc, and being able to us ARexx to make them talk to each other.

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------------------------------ message 46329 ------------------------------
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Date: 10 Feb 2000 3:52:29 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Phil Edwards <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  12-Jan-00 03:37:55
 Re:  [afb] Re: PIRACY-SUCKS

Hi Phil,

>> I have read on the latest Amiga Active what piracy is doing to
>> Vaporware

Better programming might actually help, rather than hideously buggy and
seriously outdated web browsers.

> Tell me about it. The amount of times I, and Mark, have seen people
> come on IRC with pirate keyfiles is pretty horrifying tbh.

Making it possible to register software without putting a huge burden on
the customer also helps.  It's stupid when Amiga owners can't use Amiga
software to register their software over the net.  If I have to use a PC
to register Amiga software that has half the functionality of the PC
software, I may as well not bother.

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 7:50:57 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Rick Hodger <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  30-Jan-00 23:06:32
 Re:  [afb] Re: DF1: as DF0:

Hi Rick,

> As to your installer script thing, simply load the script into a
> decent text editor and tell it to "Find & Replace" any DF0: with DF1:
> ...simple :)

So what sort of pain writes an installer script that insists on
installing from DFanything: instead of using the volume name of the
disk?  Some of us do have more than one disk drive!  It's just as bad as
various things insisting on unpacking to RAM:  Even better is to let the
script run from the current working directory, that way people can
install something from any location.

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 8:49:41 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Gerald Mellor <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  04-Feb-00 10:08:39
 Re:  [afb] Re: mhz (WAS: OT: Problem with MacOS8 running on Fusion.)

Hi Gerald,

>> That's still all wrong (whether you're arguing about bits, bytes,
>> etc). Mega means million, and Kilo means thousand.  1024 is not one
>> thousand, so you can't use kilo to represent 1024 of them.  Neither
>> is 1024 bytes, or bits, one million of them.  So you can not use mega
>> and kilo, in this way, binary figures, it's an absolute mis-use of an
>> SI unit.

> It's not a mis-use, it's a different use. In computing terms, "kilo"
> still means thousand, but it's a binary thousand, ie 2^10.

No, it IS a mis-use.  We can't redefine numbers to suit how someone
writes them down.  If I have a box with ten apples in it, I have a box
with ten apples in it.  You can't say, no, if I count the contents of
your box in binary, you have 8 apples.

Two to the tenth power is not one thousand.  Or are you trying to say
something else with the carat between 2 and 10 (above)?

The word "thousand," means one thousand (one thousand somethings), no
matter what you count it in.  Not one digit somewhere around the fourth
place where you've written the number.

1000 decimal = 3E8 hexadecimal = 1750 octal = 1111101000 binary.

They are all one thousand.  There aren't different thousands.  There is
no such thing as a binary thousand, being a different figure than a
decimal thousand, no more than 10 oranges is different number than 10
lemons.

10000000000 binary can't be written as 1K simply because it's got one
bit set in the thousands RANGE.  No more than I can say that 1024
decimal is 1K.  It ain't.  1024 is one thousand AND twenty four, not one
thousand.

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 7:30:44 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Neil Bothwick <[e-mail]>
 To:  Tim Seifert <[e-mail]>
 On:  02-Feb-00 20:18:10
 Re:  [afb] Re: alt.binaries?

Hi Neil,

>> Not all binaries newsgroups are porn or illegal software.

> That's true, many of them are illegal MP3s...

Don't forget LINUX distributions...........................

> 96% of Usenet's 100GB+ per day is binaries, something it was never
> intended for.

Hmm, well e-mail has also expanded from it's origins, HTML too, and it
hasn't always been a good thing either.

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:52:48 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Mark <[e-mail]>
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 Re:  [afb] Re: (OT) Astronomical figures (was Heart106.2 (Was: Exams))

Hi Mark,

>>> But due to relativity, c is the upper limit for speed relative to
>>> anything, so you wouldn't get further away by travelling in the
>>> opposite direction to the Earth (and Solar System) as you would
>>> only be able to move away from it at a maximum speed of c.
>>> Completely counterintuitive, but apparantly that's how it works.

>> Hmmm I had always thought that it  was relative  to a stationary
>> point. i.e you start from a theoretical point with 2 objects. Both
>> move at the speed of light in opposite directions for 1 year. Each
>> object is then 1 light year from the starting point, but there is 2
>> light years between them. And as speed is measured from  a stationary
>> point reative to the moving object each object is only moving at the
>> speed of light (I think ;-) )

> No, the whole point of relativity is that there are no stationary
> points. If two spaceships are flying towards each other at 0.9c
> relative to a planet that is considered to be stationary in that frame
> of reference, the speed of one ship would not be 1.8c relative to the
> other ship. It would be somewhere between 0.9c and c.

I would have thought it meant relative to something.  Your statement is
even more absurd than the theory of relatively.

The allegedly limiting factor, is the speed of light.  So, supposedly, I
can't travel any faster than some light that also is travelling in my
direction.

According to your interpretation, if I were able to be flying at some
speed close to the speed of light, and somewhere else somebody started
doing the same sort of thing, but in the opposite direction.  My flight
speed would magically slow down, because we're not allowed to fly apart
from each other at any speed faster than light.

I just don't beleive in this speed of light limit nonsense (other than
it be nearly impossible to find a harnessable energy source to acheive
it).  If the speed of light is the limit, and anything travelling at the
speed of light slows down.  Then light, itself, could not travel at the
speed that it does.

Oh sod this, I'm off to go watch a Doctor Who video.  ;-)

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:39:18 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 On:  30-Jan-00 18:23:56
 Re:  [afb] PIRACY-SUCKS

Hi Vincenzo,

> As I said, I am tired to buy software that does not get updated
> because of piracy.

I'm more of the opinion that software authors often have an over
inflated opinion of their softwares worth and charge too much for some
it, and make it damn near impossible to register it; and have an over
inflated opinion on how many people would want to buy their software.
After some time, they give up on their software, leaving everyone in the
lurch.

I've tried to register a few pieces of software, only to find that the
author is uncontactable, and the software therefore un-crippleable,
which is even worse when you can't find an alternative to do the job.

Just two cases:

1.  I want to register the Telser device package, but can't.

2.  I tried registering MUI, but their system was up the creek, and
    I've been waiting since last November, and get no response to
    e-mails.

And no, I don't consider that I should have to send any more than two
"please explain" letters to chase things up.  If they can't be bothered
to properly deal with customers, I can't be stuffed giving them any
money.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:29:10 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 _Replying to a message_:

 By:  Sean Courtney <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  02-Feb-00 03:03:18
 Re:  [afb] OK, FINE!

Hi Sean,

> I will buy Dir Opus Magellan II, but man, if YAM still crashes with
> it, I'm gonna slap Ben upside the head...

DOpus and YAM get along quite fine here, I've never attributed any of
YAMs bugs to DOpus.  (I'm running 3.1, by the way).

Bye,
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Date: 9 Feb 2000 7:35:57 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 By:  Matthew J Fletcher <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  29-Jan-00 19:57:23
 Re:  [afb] Modems & Line resets

Hi Matthew,

> dough !!, so does the modem reset when the amiga flushes the serial
> registers on startup or have i just paid for a load of online like a
> thicko.

That's "d'oh!" (as in Homer Simpson), not bread.  ;-)

No, the Amiga does not reset the MODEM when it resets.  Only if your
MODEM is programmed to drop the connection with a drop in the DTR (data
terminal ready {the Amiga} signal), will the MODEM reset when the
terminal becomes unready.

This is actually a bonus for us.  As we can crash the computer, without
losing a connection, and re-establish the link, without having to pay
for another phone call.  Which is important here, where phone calls cost
25 cents each, no matter how short they are.

Bye,
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Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:21:56 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 _Replying to a message_:

 By:  Duncan Gow <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  06-Feb-00 00:07:26
 Re:  [afb] LS-120 Bargain

Hi Duncan,

> I thought I just pass on what I consider a bargain.
> All items were brand new
>
> LS-120 drive 33.78
> LS-120 Disks 5

Interesting.  Over here the drives are about twice that, and the disks
about three times that.

I bought a PC (spit) with a Zip drive, and an LS-120 (*instead* of a
normal floppy), but I've never used the LS-120 with an LS disk yet
(neither came with any blanks).

Bye,
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Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:17:26 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 _Replying to a message_:

 By:  Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
 To:  Amiga Format Bulletin <[e-mail]>
 On:  04-Feb-00 05:17:33
 Re:  [afb] java 'n' hex

Hi Matthew,

> Maybe rich could help me with a hex? ;) I need a small simple program
> where I can enter some rgb or hsv vales and get it to spit out a hex
> colour code so I can stick it in my webpage. I cant for the life of me
> work out what 255, 197, 0 is in hex. I thought it was FFFD00

C5

197/16=12 and leftovers.  12 dec = C hex
leftover is 5 exactly      5 dec = 5 hex

> but browsers keep giving my different colours between my pics and
> the background :/

That'll always happen.  Different browsers have different ways of
getting colour on the screen.  In the Amiga, you're limited by free
pens, and you'll be stuck with the nearest equivelent (no matter how
un-near it may be).  Other platforms may use the standard 256 colour
scheme, and use the nearest available match to your colour.  And then
there's just the inconsistency between VDU driver cards and VDU
phosphors as well.

> NB. java = javascript, same for all my future emails.

JAVA doesn't equal JavaScript, no matter how lazy you are at typing.

IBM = Computer = Amiga, because it's 2 letters shorter, and easier to
type.  Perhaps we shall all call our Amigas IBMs now.

Bye,
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Date: 9 Feb 2000 6:5:52 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 _Replying to a message_:

 By:  Matthew O'Neill <[e-mail]>
 To:  Amiga Format Bulletin <[e-mail]>
 On:  03-Feb-00 04:39:41
 Re:  [afb] HTML directories

Hi Matthew,

> Is it possible to go back a drawer in html?

Yes.  Put ../ (dot dot slash) in front of your URI.  For maximum
compatibility, it's probably best to always put ./ (dot slash) in front
of URIs for files in the current working directory too.

> eg I have a file at:
> www.bigwig.net/mash/main/html/index.html
>
> and I want a picture to appear in that page which is located at:
> www.bigwig.net/mash/main/pics/1.jpg

<IMG SRC="../pics/1.jpg" ALT="some useful descriptive text">

> Is it possible to have the reference to go back a level then into the
> pics directory or do I have to make my code much bigger by adding the
> server stuff back in again? eg could I have

> <a href="//pics/1.jpg">

Not slash slash, that's Amiga DOS.

> rather than
> <a href="www.bigwig.net/mash/main/pics/1.jpg">

Relative addresses (the ./ and ../), rather than absolute (full URIs),
are usually best for web sites.  It allows easier manipulation of the
directory structure, viewing the site off-line, and minimal changes are
necessary should the base URI change.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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Date: 9 Feb 2000 11:20:54 +0900
From: "Tim Seifert" <[e-mail]>
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 _Replying to a message_:

 By:  Paul Cundle <[e-mail]>
 To:  afb <[e-mail]>
 On:  30-Jan-00 21:23:40
 Re:  [afb] Re: Zippity do da, Zippity Day

Hi Paul,

> Hang on, this isn't right, that means the RDB way is better....!

> So does anyone know how safe it is to alternate between one RDB
> formatted disk and some normal mountlisty type disks?

I can confirm that using differently partitioned disks is a disaster, as
the Amiga doesn't seem to recognise a change in disk structure when
disks are swapped.

I have inserted a RDB Zip disk, which mounts itself, removed it, and the
next disk inserted, gets the same parameters (i.e. the next disk doesn't
need a RDB).

Bye,
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From: "Sean Courtney" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:46:18 -0500
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Subject: [afb] Re: THOR in my side....
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>>> ANYway...I've noticed recently that all of a sudden I can't post to
>>> newsgroups with Thor. I have a legally-registered version, and all
>>> the public posts I send via Thor end up going nowhere, although
>>> ConnectThor tells me everything went through.
>
>> How about setting your clock back to 1999 ?


Well, I was able to send e-mails successfully, but after looking at them
carefully I noticed that Thor had 'em dated as "06-March-36" !!

After some tinkering, I got it to work, though, so I can post again!



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From: "Anthony Prime" <[e-mail]>
Date: 7 Feb 2000 18:01:15 +0000
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Matthew O'Neill said something about [afb] Re: POLL: Microsoft Office

> > Pah - all this email gets read from a punch card I have produced by hand
> > and then sent via Telex to a machine in Uxbridge and then forwarded to an
> > HP Apollo Unix box before being sent to the list - so there ;P

> I have an 80 year old lady at a post office writing out all these mails by
> hand using a quill and a pot of ink, then she gets her son to cycle round
> to my house (on his penny farthing) to hand deliver them. So um keep the
> sig short, she has arthritus 8)

She isn't named Mrs Dalrymple by any chance? :)
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From: "Anthony Prime" <[e-mail]>
Date: 9 Feb 2000 17:53:53 +0000
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Ben Vost said something about [afb] Re: AFCD50

> > Thanks to whoever put Pranger onto the latest CD.

> If it was on Aminet and it didn't have a "Distribution: NoCD" tag in the
> readme...

It's nice to see a strong editorial line is taken with the CD 8)

> All the best,

Along with everything else with no flag ;)
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From: "Ben Vost" <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:01:39 +0000
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Hi Anthony,

>> If it was on Aminet and it didn't have a "Distribution: NoCD" tag in the
>> readme...

> It's nice to see a strong editorial line is taken with the CD 8)

But you have to remember that folk complain and whinge if the CD isn't full
every issue, so it obviously doesn't matter what we fill it with...

All the best,
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Date: 9 Feb 2000 17:19:53 +0000
From: "Neil Bothwick" <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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Tudor Davies said,

> Question is - did DCE get the right to manufacture cards outright or was it
> a license

> ie - without Phase5 can they still make them?

If it is a license, the receivers would want DCE to continue making
them. Part of the receiver's job is to get in as much money as possible
to pay off creditors.


Neil
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From: Sandy Brownlee <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:12:09 +0100
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Hello,

I'm one of those fools who bought a Blittersoft Keyboard interface when
doing a tower conversion. My reasoning was that I got to get their "Powered
by Amiga" case, to rehouse my old A1200s KB. Now I am playing Quake, I'd
like the benefits of multiple keypresses, and I want an Eyetech or Power
interface. Trouble is, I don't know if the rehoused keyboard will work.
I've heard that the housing converts the keyboard into a standard PC one,
with a PS\2 plug. Does anyone have one of these keyboards working with a
non- Blittersoft interface?

Of course, they told me it was impossible :-(

Regards,

        Sandy

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From: "Kevin Fairhurst" <[e-mail]>
Date: 9 Feb 2000 17:48:06 +0000
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On 9 Feb 2000 10:56:13 +0900, Tim Seifert ([e-mail]) wrote:

> And why should we?  Why does everyone have this rampant capitialist
> attitude that we should be forever giving other people our money, just
> for the sake of it?

Why should they continue developing/writing stuff, "for the sake of it" ?

Kev

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:23:08 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris Andrews <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailing-List: [e-mail]
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On 9 Feb 2000, Tim Seifert wrote:
> >   ...or a "+", which is easier to remember.
>
> Which, surprise surprise, doesn't work with Microsoft IE and OE.  The
> subject line gets the + symbol written into it.

  Really?  Oh well, back to escaping then ;(   I have my IE set up to use
hotmail to sendmail rather than launching a mail program that I never use
;)  It works with that.


bye,
  Chris




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From: Mark Wilson <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:22:52 +0000
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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On 09-Feb-00, Tim wrote this:

>>> I have read on the latest Amiga Active what piracy is doing to
>>> Vaporware
 =

> Better programming might actually help, rather than hideously buggy and=

> seriously outdated web browsers.

I think as it stands Voyager 3 is one of the most advanced Web browsers o=
n
the Amiga (What didnt help in my opinion was Amozilla which all but kille=
d
off serious web browser development)

Voyager 3 is stable, if you have a gfx card, Poor old AGA users seem to l=
oose out
though, but I'm sure that Olli and everyone at vaporware do their very be=
st
in the current market to make *good* products.
  =

>> Tell me about it. The amount of times I, and Mark, have seen people
>> come on IRC with pirate keyfiles is pretty horrifying tbh. =

 =

> Making it possible to register software without putting a huge burden o=
n
> the customer also helps.  It's stupid when Amiga owners can't use Amiga=

> software to register their software over the net.  If I have to use a P=
C
> to register Amiga software that has half the functionality of the PC
> software, I may as well not bother.

Well, You can buy online, you can use the Vaporware Reg tool, or online v=
ia
Actives website, I really dont see what the problem is, can you Do better=
?,
No I thought not, now go reg that software.

-- =

Mark 'tecno' Wilson  =


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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:30:58 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris Andrews <[e-mail]>
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On 9 Feb 2000, Tim Seifert wrote:
> Having got it on the PC, I consider it diabolical.  Though I've never
> liked office suites.  I don't like convoluted interconnected software,
> that likes to pretend its an OS in itself, but doesn't behave like your
> OS or any of your other applications.

  It is the best of what is out there (for linux) though, unfortunately.
But then, when you try to write software to run on all platforms they tend
to live in a world of their own.  It saved my life on several occasions
when I was using Linux in corporate land.

  A bit like trying to write stuff in Java.  File permissions... what are
they? ;)


bye,
  Chris




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Date: 9 Feb 2000 18:26:19 +0000
From: "Neil Bothwick" <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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Tim Seifert said,

> Hi Neil,

>>> Not all binaries newsgroups are porn or illegal software.

>> That's true, many of them are illegal MP3s...

> Don't forget LINUX distributions...........................

Only the ones that shouldn't be distributed freely. MP3 are the main
user of usenet bandwidth, warez second and pron third.

>> 96% of Usenet's 100GB+ per day is binaries, something it was never
>> intended for.

> Hmm, well e-mail has also expanded from it's origins, HTML too, and it
> hasn't always been a good thing either.

Email and HTML aren't stored on hundreds (thousands?) of servers
worldwide. An email is transferred from the sender's server to the
recipients and deleted from there once he's read it. News has a separate
copy of each article stored on each server, another reason why it's
totally unsuitable for binary distribution. It's no coincidence that
usenet binaries are used mainly for illegal material, it doesn't have
the accountability of a web or FTP site.


Neil
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Date: 9 Feb 2000 18:17:55 +0000
From: "Neil Bothwick" <[e-mail]>
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Tim Seifert said,

>>> ANYway...I've noticed recently that all of a sudden I can't post to
>>> newsgroups with Thor. I have a legally-registered version, and all
>>> the public posts I send via Thor end up going nowhere, although
>>> ConnectThor tells me everything went through.

>> How about setting your clock back to 1999 ?

> Setting your clock backwards when posting to newsgroups, of all places,
> is likely to get your postings deleted instantly for being too old.

Which is what's happening already, because of an old, non-Y2K complaint
version of THOR. Get the 2.6a update from Aminet.

> Newservers expire messages on any one of various criteria; available
> drive space, deleting oldest stored messages, deleting oldest dated
> messages.

News servers also continually offer all articles to each server the peer
with. If an old message had turned up after it had been expired, the
server would accept it again. this happened a year or two back when the
MSN server started feeding old articles back out to usenet.

If an article is older than the server's expiry time, it is rejected.


Neil
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From: "Paul Cundle" <[e-mail]>
Date: 8 Feb 2000 19:36:40 +0000
In-Reply-To: <017501bf71cc$f79b9960$78849fd4@no1>
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Someone around here has been mumbling again. Apparently they go
by the name of Jonathan Day.

> > Isn't the empty Zip drive box I'm sending you reward enough ? Gosh, I
> > don't know, some people...   ;)

> Well that sounds like a really good pressy...  ;-)

Well seeing as you chucked yours out when you got it, what could I do
;)
And it's not a pressy as such - Eddie gets a reward, y'know.

> Jon

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From: "Paul Cundle" <[e-mail]>
Date: 8 Feb 2000 19:41:07 +0000
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
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According to Ben, there's something good going on and it's
something to do with [afb] Re: New ish.

> Actually no, it's supposed to be rounded to the nearest hundred, must have
> been missed this time.

I thought the "more than 2,999 directories" was quite amusing. So, er,
that would be, well, let's work this out... Nope, too difficult for me
;)

> Ben Vost

Paul C, untrustworthy
--
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    1) Canadium, Eh: Similar to Americium, but a little denser.
    2) Innofensium, Pc: Precisely equal numbers of electrons, protons,
    neutrons, leptons, quarks. Completely inert, utterly useless, but smells
    like a rose.
    3) Cabmium, Cb: Found in abundance, except when needed. Exists in two
    states, in motion and at rest. When in motion, it cannot be stopped, no
    matter what you do. Cabmium has a charge associated with it. The charge is
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From: Roger Sivertsen <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:06:15 +0100
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Amiga was a computer for non-serious users - among the users. Wow! Great
games,
let's buy it! PC, the serious computer. Serious stuff is what people make
most
of the best jokes on. Jokes are entertainment. PC: Two things in one.
Commodore got bankrupt, the Amiga is dead. Let's buy PCs.
Amigas were great for music, some claim they still are. If I had the choice,
I'd buy a Mac or PC, as the soundcards and software available are more
user-friendly
to musicians than ever.
Still, I have a PPC Amiga. Where is the software? Sure, a couple of
companies are
developing some games for us, who beleive the Amiga still has a future.
Where's what I need? I need power, damnit, and I am too stubbard to sell off
my
Amiga! Why? Because I love it. Piracy? Fine, as long as we're not talking
about the newest softwarez, because THEN it would hurt the companies
developing the
shit, as they sell most of their products in the beginning, an then they
only sell
a few, to those of you who beleive the Amiga is their reeligion.
Long live the developers, users, and the companies who are (stupid) great
enough
to support us with our "nerdy" needs.

*Life is daangerous - you can die*



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From: Sandy Brownlee <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:35:11 +0100
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Hello Tim

On 08-Feb-00, you wrote:

> I just don't beleive in this speed of light limit nonsense (other than
> it be nearly impossible to find a harnessable energy source to acheive
> it).  If the speed of light is the limit, and anything travelling at the
> speed of light slows down.  Then light, itself, could not travel at the
> speed that it does.

Relativistic motion: (Turn off YAM text styles with RAmiga- T)

m =        m0
     ---------
     /----------
   \/  1- (v^2/c^2)

This may turn up quite poor with different fonts, but the story is:

The mass of an object=Its mass when stationary, divided by the square root
of 1 minus (its velocity squared divided by the speed of light squared).

If the object exceeded c (spd of light), (v^2/c^2) would be greater than 1.
Hence, the bottom line of the equation would be the square root of a
negative number, which has no real answer. That is, the objects mass would
be infinite.

So you cannot go beyond the speed of light, even in an Amiga powered
spacecraft (rough attempt to make this on- topic)


Regards

        Sandy

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From: Sandy Brownlee <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:05:24 +0100
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Hello Ben

On 09-Feb-00, you wrote:

> But you have to remember that folk complain and whinge if the CD isn't
> full every issue, so it obviously doesn't matter what we fill it with...

Such as wastes of space like my program...

Regards

        Sandy

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From: Rick Hodger <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:41:01 +0000
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I watched as Kevin Fairhurst hammered "[afb] Re: G3/G4 cards" out on their
keyboard...

> On Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:08:58 +0000, Rick Hodger ([e-mail])
> wrote:
>> I watched as Kevin Fairhurst hammered "[afb] Re: G3/G4 cards" out on
>> their keyboard...

>> Yes that's a possiblity. However, if it's securely protected then
>> nothing but a specific updater will be able to edit it.

>> <sarcasm>Yeah....it's not like secure software has even been hacked
>> before or anything...</sarcasm>

> Then (as someone les has pointed out) ship the boars with a write protect
> jumper  :-

Yeah, but I sent this before he said that...

>>> And why have a FlashROM,
>>> if they get it right first time?   ;-)

>> Because I don't know of any programmer that has got something right first
>> time, and any programmer who think's all his code will work first-time on
>> any machine with any number of possible hardware configs, has a way too
>> big ego and shouldn't be allowed to program.

> Actually, it's not just the programmers fault - if something goes
> wrong you blame the beta-test team   ;)

heheh....end users won't usually accept that as an excuse tho :)

> Kev, who has got many programs right first time

Yeah...okay :)

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From: Rick Hodger <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:46:01 +0000
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I watched as Neil Bothwick hammered "[afb] Re: V" out on their keyboard...

> Daniel Thornton said,

>> On 8 Feb 2000 17:10:30 +0000, [e-mail] was largin' it with these
>> words...

>>> Why would Stefan even consider working on it when there are people that
>>> have been using 3.x for years without paying?

>> The problem is, a lot of people don't want to register MUI, because they
>> don't like it.

> That's not a problem. The licence for MUI doesn't require you to
> register after a certain amount of use, unlike most other shareware
> programs.

Yeah, it doesn't time out after 30 days or anything...

>> Unfortunately, a lot of almost essential programs do use
>> it, and to get the best you need to register MUI as well; it's not
>> exactly fair on the user that they should have to pay extra because of
>> choices a software author has made. Unfortunately, though, that's just
>> how it is :/

> I gave up saying this years ago. It seems people are quite happy with
> users paying for the programmers tools.

> Without going to the relative merits of ClassAct as a GUI system, the
> licensing system is much fairer. It's the programmer that gets paid for
> writing the software, so it's the programmer that pays the licence for
> the GUI. Unfortunately, while it's fairer, the MUI approach is far more
> likely to encourage its use by programmers.

The other thing of course, is that the MUI system has a lot more going for
it in the programmer's eyes.  A quick look at aminet reveals no end to the
number of MCC's for doing little jobs, thereby saving the programmer a good
deal of time and effort.  IMO, it also looks a hell of a lot nicer.
ClassAct looks kinda...nasty...

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From: Rick Hodger <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:50:21 +0000
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I watched as James hammered "[afb] 3.5 memory probs" out on their
keyboard...

> I got OS3.5 last week. It installed no problem and worked great, mostly.
> Except, I keep getting out of memory errors. I've got 16Mb fast, in my
> A1200.
> My screenmode is 640x512 DBLPAL in 16 colours, and I usually have about
> 1.6Mb
> chip free on boot. The problems usually occur with the prefs progs, in
> particular, palette and pointer prefs, which refuse to load, giving no
> error
> message, if I've been using the machine for a while. Has anyone else
> experienced this?

Did you install OS3.5 over the top of OS3.1?  If you did, run SnoopDOS while
running one of those prefs programs....you might find the OS3.5 install
neglected to copy some files over that are needed by the Reaction GUI
system (I forget the exact names).

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From: "Frost" <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:43:04 -0000
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> > Has anybody out there got Sim City 2000? If you have have do you get the
> > error "missing resource - text 3000" etc, if you query a library and
click
> > on the ruminate button?
>
> > Yes mine is a legal version of the game but I've had no replies from
Epic
> > so I'm asking here.
>
> I've got the original version from years ago, but i don't get that bug.

So what is it that you see when you click on the ruminate option then?

Frost.
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:46:14 +0000
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
In-Reply-To: <[e-mail]>; from Tim Seifert on Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 06:52:48AM +0900
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 06:52:48AM +0900, Tim Seifert wrote:

> According to your interpretation, if I were able to be flying at some
> speed close to the speed of light, and somewhere else somebody started
> doing the same sort of thing, but in the opposite direction.  My flight
> speed would magically slow down, because we're not allowed to fly apart
> from each other at any speed faster than light.

Your speed wouldn't change. Their speed wouldn't change. It's just that
your relative speeds wouldn't exceed the speed of light, because relative
speed is not just the sum of the speed of the objects involved. On Earth,
where we're talking about speeds that are somewhat low compared to the
speed of light, you can get away with assuming that it's that simple. It's
still an approximation, though. The main problem is that people assume
that because something looks like it behaves one way on the small scale
that it behaves the same way on the large scale. Sadly relativity doesn't
follow this assumption - if you try to model it using traditional
Newtonian physics then you'll just end up confusing yourself and saying
things like "The relative speed will be twice the speed of light" (which
it won't).

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From: Sandy Brownlee <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:03:18 +0100
In-Reply-To: <1AF46531C3DCD3119F6500D0B723B4B24EFBD1@THE_EXCHANGE>
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Hello Robert

On 09-Feb-00, you wrote:

> What you need to do is to set up a "Login Script" in Miami that says
> something like "Send 'RING\nRING' Wait 'ATA' Send 'CONNECT 115200'".
> Then set up "Dial-up Server" on the PC, and set it running on the
> Null-modem.
> THEN "Dial-in" using Miami on the Amiga, and voila! one working TCP/IP
> connection!

I could do with something like this, to connect to Quake on my dad's laptop.
Unfortuantely, this was supplied by his company, and so I don't have a
Win95 CD to set up the server with. Is there another way?

Regards

        Sandy

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From: "Kevin Fairhurst" <[e-mail]>
Date: 9 Feb 2000 20:22:04 +0000
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On 9 Feb 2000 18:26:19 +0000, Neil Bothwick ([e-mail]) wrote:
> Tim Seifert said,
>
> > Hi Neil,
>
> >>> Not all binaries newsgroups are porn or illegal software.
>
> >> That's true, many of them are illegal MP3s...
>
> > Don't forget LINUX distributions...........................
>
> Only the ones that shouldn't be distributed freely. MP3 are the main
> user of usenet bandwidth, warez second and pron third.

Followed closely by the porn, which isn't as bad as pron cos that stuff is
twisted ...

Well that's what you mean, isn't it Neil?   ;-)

Kev

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From: "Kevin Fairhurst" <[e-mail]>
Date: 9 Feb 2000 20:26:14 +0000
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:41:01 +0000, Rick Hodger ([e-mail]) wrote:
> I watched as Kevin Fairhurst hammered "[afb] Re: G3/G4 cards" out on their
> keyboard...
>
> > On Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:08:58 +0000, Rick Hodger ([e-mail])
> > wrote:
> >> I watched as Kevin Fairhurst hammered "[afb] Re: G3/G4 cards" out on
> >> their keyboard...
>
> >> Yes that's a possiblity. However, if it's securely protected then
> >> nothing but a specific updater will be able to edit it.
>
> >> <sarcasm>Yeah....it's not like secure software has even been hacked
> >> before or anything...</sarcasm>
>
> > Then (as someone les has pointed out) ship the boars with a write protect
> > jumper  :-
>
> Yeah, but I sent this before he said that...

Not the sarcasm thing.  he replied to your original "ooh, someone will
crack it and spread a virus" post.  But what if they used a 64 bit
encryption key?  Given the amount of time RC5-64 is taking no-one would
crack that until a new board was out to supercede it anyway!!

> > Actually, it's not just the programmers fault - if something goes
> > wrong you blame the beta-test team   ;)
>
> heheh....end users won't usually accept that as an excuse tho :)

It shouldn't get as far as the end users, but sometimes they get nominated
to join teh beta test team without realising it ....

> > Kev, who has got many programs right first time
>
> Yeah...okay :)

It's true - I didn't have much choice as I was working on a lot of Y2k
stuff in COBOL.  A hell of a lot of my seat-of -the-pants changes worked
first time and still work.  Some didn't I admit.  Hell, a lot didn't.  The
thing is, I made sure myself that it worked before shouting that I'd fixed
it.  Gave me more time and a better understanding of the problem  *grin*

Kev

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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:29:53 +0000
From: "Jonathan M. Dudley" <[e-mail]>
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Bauglir wrote:

>> The fact that it's an unwanted requirement is good reason to pay for it?
>
> Take out the "unwanted" part from that statement, and I think you get
> the gist of it :) It doesn't matter whether it's unwanted or not, that
> doesn't change the fact that it's a requirement for some software, the
> best Internet software, in particular.

I don't deny that it's a requirement, I'm saying that the consumer shouldn'=
t
have to pay an extra =A320 for a programmers decision.

Regards,
Jonny.


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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:25:36 +0000
From: "Jonathan M. Dudley" <[e-mail]>
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Bauglir wrote:

>> But OS3.5 upgrades and improves the whole system, rather than one part o=
f
>> it. Is MUI a *vital* component of the software that uses it? Last I chec=
ked,
>> the OS came with a GUI built in. MUI just adds to the overall expense.
>
> The OS comes with a GUI built in, but it's not a particularly attractive
> one. Yes, MUI is a vital component of the software that uses it. Just as
> AHI is a vital component of the software that uses *that*, or CGX, or
> ClassAct, etc. The programmer may not have to use that particular GUI,
> but it does make their software nicer to look at and use. :)

Heh, I phrased that badly. What I meant was; could the software have been
programmed without using MUI? Therefore, people wanting to use the software
wouldn't feel obliged to fork out another =A320 for a GUI - something they go=
t
when they forked out for their computer or OS upgrade.

As far as I can make out, MUI offers programmers an easier GUI development
environment. In that case, doesn't that make it a developer tool? If so,
surely the developers should pay for it, not the consumers.

As you pointed out, "the programmer may not have to use [MUI]", but if they
do, should they alone not have to bear the full cost of that decision?

Regards,
Jonny.


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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:25:52 +0000
From: "Jonathan M. Dudley" <[e-mail]>
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Ben Vost wrote:

>> It's nice to see a strong editorial line is taken with the CD 8)
>
> But you have to remember that folk complain and whinge if the CD isn't full
> every issue, so it obviously doesn't matter what we fill it with...

I can't say I've ever checked...

You having a bad week there Ben?

You seem slightly more caustic than usual.  :/

Regards,
Jonny (concerned).


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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:34:01 +0000
From: "Jonathan M. Dudley" <[e-mail]>
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Robert Johnston wrote:

>> That's the whole point. You may not *want* it, but you *need* to use it =
for
>> certain software. If it was an *option* with that software, rather than =
a
>> requirement, then you could decide whether you *wanted* it or not.

> Kinda like Miami's Multi-gui options, then...

Precisely.

You can pay the extra =A320, or not. The choice is yours.

Regards,
Jonny.


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From: "Daniel Thornton" <[e-mail]>
Date: 9 Feb 2000 20:37:39 +0000
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:22:52 +0000, tecnobab@stayfree=2Eco=2Euk was largin'=
 it with these words=2E=2E=2E

> Voyager 3 is stable, if you have a gfx card, Poor old AGA users seem to l=
oose out
> though, but I'm sure that Olli and everyone at vaporware do their very be=
st
> in the current market to make *good* products=2E

V=B3 is very stable in AGA if you disable flash=2E Using FBlit helps as
well, because V loves chip-ram=2E

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-----
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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:57:15 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris Andrews <[e-mail]>
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote:
> I don't deny that it's a requirement, I'm saying that the consumer should=
n't
> have to pay an extra =A320 for a programmers decision.

  What about a blanket decision of many programmers?  Anyway, you don't
HAVE to pay, especially 20 quid for each program that uses it.

 =20

bye,
  Chris



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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:59:17 +0000 (GMT)
From: Chris Andrews <[e-mail]>
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On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Jonathan M. Dudley wrote:
> As you pointed out, "the programmer may not have to use [MUI]", but if they
> do, should they alone not have to bear the full cost of that decision?

  They'd be paying a lot more than 20 smackeroonies if they had to pay the
full cost of having MUI developed themselves.  In fact, the chances are
that they HAVE paid for MUI already.


bye,
  Chris




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Date: 9 Feb 2000 20:27:3 +0000
From: "Neil Bothwick" <[e-mail]>
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Rick Hodger said,

> I watched as Neil Bothwick hammered "[afb] Re: V" out on their keyboard...

>> That's not a problem. The licence for MUI doesn't require you to
>> register after a certain amount of use, unlike most other shareware
>> programs.

> Yeah, it doesn't time out after 30 days or anything...

It's not just that. Many shareware programs don't time out, but you
should still register if you use it after the evaluation period. MUI
doesn't have an evaluation period. From the guide:

"   If you plan to use the full set of MUI's possibilities (different
fonts, frames, images, background pattern, ...) with all applications,
or if you just feel that MUI is good and should be supported, you
should register."

In other words, register if you feel it's worth it.

>> Without going to the relative merits of ClassAct as a GUI system, the
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> licensing system is much fairer. It's the programmer that gets paid for
>> writing the software, so it's the programmer that pays the licence for
>> the GUI. Unfortunately, while it's fairer, the MUI approach is far more
>> likely to encourage its use by programmers.

> The other thing of course, is that the MUI system has a lot more going for
> it in the programmer's eyes.

But that's going to the relative merits of the GUI systems. This was
about the licensing issue.


Neil
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Paul Cundle said,

>> Actually no, it's supposed to be rounded to the nearest hundred, must have
>> been missed this time.

> I thought the "more than 2,999 directories" was quite amusing.

0-99 is the first hundred, 2899-2999 is the thirtieth hundred.

This should be obvious to anyone who believes that this year is the
start of the third millennium.


Neil
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